IRC/Gathering-2013-01-21

Transcript for Jan 21st, 2013.

Present: Skud, sabreuse, cesullivan, gem.

[10:26am] sabreuse joined the chat room. [10:48am] Skud: morning *yawn* [10:51am] sabreuse: hola [10:59am] cesullivan joined the chat room. [11:04am] gem joined the chat room. [11:05am] Skud: morning [11:05am] Skud: welcome to the gathering :) [11:05am] cesullivan: Good afternoon [11:05am] Skud: i can't be totally here today because i have people coming round for lunch and i have to do kitchen things, but i will pop in and out [11:05am] gem: hello! [11:06am] Skud: gem: are you new? [11:06am] gem: new to IRC chats [11:06am] gem: Gemma here. [11:06am] Skud: well, welcome :) [11:06am] gem: I worked with Miles a bit, a few iterations back. [11:06am] gem: thanks! [11:07am] Skud: oh right! [11:07am] cesullivan: Miles is great [11:07am] gem: yes :) [11:08am] gem: I figured my self-set task for this iteration would be to get linux set up on my machine, so it's easier to install things, which is why I'm not pairing, this round. [11:08am] cesullivan: gem: where do you live? [11:08am] gem: Los Angeles [11:09am] cesullivan: I'm in Seattle. I'm somewhat new at web programming although I paired with Miles and Joseph [11:09am] gem: Yeah, I've never done any web programming before. [11:09am] cesullivan: You are in my timezone! [11:09am] gem: yes! [11:10am] gem: Good afternoon to you! [11:10am] cesullivan: gem: have you done other types of programming?  Many people assume that web programming is the only type of programming [11:10am] Skud: gem: how's linux treating you? feel free to shout if you need a hand with any of the install stuff [11:10am] gem: thanks Skud [11:10am] gem: yeah, I've done a lot of programming of numerical methods [11:11am] Skud: i know courtney just got ubuntu dual-booting on her (windows) machine for the same reason [11:11am] gem: which is not the normal sort of programming at all, but it helps [11:11am] Skud: are you another mathematician? [11:11am] gem: yeah, I'm using Linux Mint [11:11am] gem: it is shiny [11:11am] gem: yup [11:11am] gem: doing a PhD in applied math [11:11am] gem: specifically PDEs [11:11am] gem: more specifically fluids [11:12am] Skud: oh we had this discussion before, didn't we? [11:12am] gem: yeah, but it was a while back, don't blame you for not remembering [11:13am] cesullivan: I haven't had it though! I took an applied math course in college (longer ago than I care to mention). or at least I think I did [11:14am] gem: Well, making a computer do math is sort of like the conceptually easy end, in a lot of ways. [11:14am] Skud: i just remember a "look at all these mathematicians here" discussion once before. come to think of it, though, it was on IRC so if gem is new here, it must have been with OTHER mathematicians [11:14am] gem: haha [11:14am] cesullivan: it could have been an email thread. [11:15am] gem: mm, yeah, I'm pretty sure I mentioned math via email once upon a time [11:15am] gem: so you may also be remembering that [11:17am] gem: speaking of email threads, I've been following the 'transplants' one with interest [11:17am] gem: I had to google YAGNI [11:18am] Skud: hmmm, is it in our glossary? [11:18am] gem: don't know [11:18am] Skud: tansy, YAGNI is You Ain't Gonna Need It [11:18am] Tansy: OK, Skud. [11:19am] gem: wikipedia was most enlightening on the subject [11:19am] cesullivan: I love wikipedia [11:20am] sabreuse: I lovehate wikipedia, but stuff like that is totally the love end [11:20am] cesullivan: I noticed the planting description showing up in my account. are they supposed to be filtered by garden? [11:21am] Skud: added here: http://wiki.growstuff.org/index.php/Glossary [11:21am] Skud: tansy, glossary is at http://wiki.growstuff.org/index.php/Glossary [11:21am] Tansy: OK, Skud. [11:21am] Skud: tansy, the glossary? [11:21am] Tansy: the glossary is at http://wiki.growstuff.org/index.php/Glossary [11:21am] Skud: good. [11:21am] gem: oh, right, Tansy is the bot! [11:21am] gem: just figured that out [11:21am] Skud: heh :) [11:21am] Skud: tansy, tansy? [11:21am] Tansy: i am an aloof ice-queen or sweet or bug-repellant or likely to be eaten by a grue. or adorable or running on UTC [11:22am] cesullivan: or rather, is text supposed be different under each garden tab? I have the same stuff [11:22am] Skud: cesullivan: hmm! yes, they should be different. [11:22am] Skud: i don't have time to look now, but could you raise it on the mailing list please? [11:23am] cesullivan: ok [11:23am] cesullivan: does Tansy add stuff to the glossery? [11:23am] sabreuse: I'm seeing the same as cesullivan. It looks like I'm seeing the full garden displays one after the other (what's planted here, crop boxes, more about this garden link. and then the next what's planted here.) [11:23am] cesullivan: I'll start a new thread [11:25am] cesullivan: also, I made a note about "friendly ids" for plantings that include the garden name. What if people want to change the name of their garden? [11:26am] Skud: cesullivan: the stub will change each time the garden is saved [11:27am] Skud: that's the friendly_id default. there's an option to *not* change it if unbroken links are important to you. i don't think they're that important though. [11:28am] sabreuse: what happens if someone goes to a broken link? total 404? redirect to the member's main page? (It seems like if it's the latter, that still allows people to get to *something* sensible) [11:29am] cesullivan: Oh, ids change automatically?  Nifty [11:30am] sabreuse: it's a good question to raise -- they'd also change after a planting is transplanted or just plain "oops, I meant the other garden" edited [11:30am] cesullivan: sabreause: I added it to the email and included your name and Skud's name [11:31am] gem: I guess it depends how people are using their links [11:31am] cesullivan: I can see people calling the location where they start seeds a "garden" and then they'll transplant to their outdoor garden [11:32am] sabreuse: gem, definitely [11:32am] sabreuse: just worth considering what happens to the failures -- people will find new ways to use their links no matter what the plan was! [11:33am] gem: so, the nightmare scenario is, someone wants to link to a crop from another page and have that link last for more than a few days [11:33am] gem: but in theory if they really want to they could just change their settings [11:33am] gem: I suppose a more awkward case would be if you send an email linking your planting, and then transplant or something [11:33am] Skud: this is in some ways similar to the situation if you change the title of a wordpress blog post [11:34am] Skud: but you're right, transplanting would make this happen more often than changing title of a blog post. [11:34am] Skud: so here's another potential way to handle transplants [11:34am] Skud: treat them as two plantings, and link them [11:35am] Skud: planting 1: tomato seeds in seedling trays in the greenhouse [11:35am] Skud: planting 2: tomato plants in the garden [11:35am] Skud: transplant event: links planting 1 and planting 2 [11:35am] Skud: when you transplant, it marks planting 1 as "ended" or whatever terminology we use [11:35am] Skud: in many ways that makes more sense [11:35am] gem: ooh, I like! I bet that solves other problems, too, like when you're adding new tomatoes from indoors to your already existing tomato plot outside [11:35am] sabreuse: yeah, it does. [11:35am] cesullivan: seedlings given to neighbor who also has a Growstuff account [11:36am] sabreuse: cesullivan, oh god new story plotbunny [11:36am] cesullivan: plotbunny? [11:37am] gem: thing you follow to find new plot points [11:37am] Skud: the other thing is that having two plantings means that when we start tracking things like shadiness, you don't have to change it when transplanting [11:37am] sabreuse: sorry -- fandom term for when story ideas start popping up and breeding like rabbits. [11:37am] sabreuse: but strangely appropriate here [11:37am] Skud: indeed! [11:37am] Skud: we should add that to the glossary too :) [11:37am] sabreuse: on so many levels [11:37am] cesullivan: Yup, I looked it up. Urban Dictionay came up with a slash example from Harry Potter [11:38am] Skud: heh [11:38am] cesullivan: sabreause - good thing I'm a fan or I wouldn't know the term fandom. [11:39am] cesullivan: :) [11:41am] Skud: lots of fans in growstuff actually [11:43am] cesullivan: Skud: nice to hear fen doing outdoor stuff. [11:46am] cesullivan: any more plot bunnies? [11:46am] Skud: way too many :) [11:46am] Skud: quite soon i want to get member settings and profile information going… locations, interests, whatever. and email notifications. and comments on people's posts. [11:47am] cesullivan: I'd like to be able to update my location on my member profile [11:48am] Skud: yup, there's a story for that [11:48am] Skud: including some implementation notes. i did some research into it a few weeks back. [11:49am] cesullivan: Good.  Lots of stories [11:55am] cesullivan: nice chatting with you all.  I have to leave now. [11:55am] Skud: ok, i have to run and do things! can someone else grab a copy of the transcript when you wrap up, please? [11:55am] gem: I would, but I'm not completely sure how.  Just copy-paste? [11:55am] cesullivan left the chat room. (Quit: Page closed) [11:56am] Skud: or we could just declare the meeting closed now? [11:56am] Skud: and i can paste what i've got [11:56am] sabreuse: I should run too [11:56am] gem: yes, I think we can close [11:56am] sabreuse: so sounds like [11:56am] Skud: ok then! thanks everyone :) [11:56am] Skud: catch you later. [11:56am] gem: :)