IRC/Gathering-2012-12-09-part2

**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 9 12:06:06 2012 Dec 09 12:06:06 *	Now talking on #growstuff Dec 09 12:06:06 *	Topic for #growstuff is: building an open source community for food gardeners // IRC gatherings here every sunday http://bit.ly/RQkZAy // more info: http://wiki.growstuff.org/ Dec 09 12:06:06 *	Topic for #growstuff set by Skud at Sun Nov 11 12:05:09 2012 Dec 09 12:06:37 	pozorvlak: heya :) Dec 09 12:06:39 	good timing. Dec 09 12:07:45 	Skud: heya! Dec 09 12:07:45 	1 Dec 09 12:07:59 	O_o Dec 09 12:08:04 	i have NO IDEA why tansy replies "1" to "heya!" Dec 09 12:08:06 	heya Dec 09 12:08:09 	heya! Dec 09 12:08:09 	1 Dec 09 12:08:17 	i went looking in the source code and everything Dec 09 12:08:22 	tansy, literal heya! Dec 09 12:08:22 	Skud: excuse me? Dec 09 12:08:57 	Is "literal" the command to respond to a phrase with another phrase? Dec 09 12:09:04 	tansy, literals Dec 09 12:09:06 *	Skud shakes her head Dec 09 12:09:06 	stupid bot. Dec 09 12:09:06 	tansy, stupid bot is :( Dec 09 12:09:06 	OK, Skud. Dec 09 12:09:06 	pozorvlak: excuse me? Dec 09 12:09:17 	pozorvlak: no, it's the command to find out what she literally has in her databbase Dec 09 12:09:19 <Skud>	tansy, literal stupid bot Dec 09 12:09:19 <Tansy>	Skud: stupid bot =is= :( Dec 09 12:09:29 	aha Dec 09 12:09:36 <Skud>	stupid bot Dec 09 12:09:36 <Tansy>	:( Dec 09 12:09:40 <Skud>	anyway HI Dec 09 12:09:45 	:-) Dec 09 12:10:02 	oh, I see gnattery is here. Hi gnattery! Dec 09 12:10:11 <Skud>	welcome to the second gathering of the day. sigh. Dec 09 12:10:11 	hey :) Dec 09 12:10:29 	yeah, not quite sure what happened there Dec 09 12:10:58 <Skud>	pozorvlak: the second reminder email had the wrong times Dec 09 12:11:10 <Skud>	pozorvlak: i wanted to talk about the idea of MVP and stuff Dec 09 12:11:27 	oh yes Dec 09 12:11:38 <Skud>	it's giving me a bad feeling Dec 09 12:11:46 	howso? Dec 09 12:15:34 	..? Dec 09 12:17:37 	OK, I see some stuff we could probably launch without Dec 09 12:17:52 	"upload icon", for instance Dec 09 12:19:43 <Skud>	like a bad process smell Dec 09 12:19:43 <Skud>	it's too Big Design Up Front Dec 09 12:19:43 <Skud>	why don't we just keep doing the most important/worthwhile things each iteration? Dec 09 12:19:43 <Skud>	at some point that will cross the line of "usable by people who aren't on the development mailing list" and then we tell the world Dec 09 12:19:43 <Skud>	if we say that that's the 3-6 month goal then that can encourage us to focus our thoughts when prioritising in PT Dec 09 12:19:43 <Skud>	that's all i've got Dec 09 12:19:43 <Skud>	did that not make sense? Dec 09 12:19:43 <Skud>	the only other thought i had is that we should try and get decent features in the first three use case areas: track, share, learn Dec 09 12:19:43 <Skud>	right but there are tradeoff Dec 09 12:19:43 <Skud>	s Dec 09 12:19:43 <Skud>	having a user pic is a pretty important social feature Dec 09 12:19:43 <Skud>	we could do it with gravatars or whatever but i think we need it Dec 09 12:19:43 <Skud>	anyway i wouldn't put too much thought into what's in PT beyond 1-2 iterations in the future Dec 09 12:19:43 <Skud>	all i can say of that is that it's roughly in an order that would be doable (no horribly out of order dependencies) but it's not all vital Dec 09 12:19:43 <Skud>	gnattery: thoughts? Dec 09 12:20:33 	I agree about the user icons Dec 09 12:20:37 <Skud>	which bit? Dec 09 12:20:53 	I agree that they're necessary at launch Dec 09 12:21:35 <Skud>	i actually think various pics (userpics, pics of crops) are among our most needed things right now Dec 09 12:22:03 <Skud>	pozorvlak: i also keep thinking of waht denise says in the dw_suggestions FAQ about priorities Dec 09 12:22:12 	the earlier users are going to accept that there's going to be some features missing, but I think that having a user pic adds a lot of user satisfaction for relatively little work Dec 09 12:22:37 <Skud>	http://dw-suggestions.dreamwidth.org/44133.html Dec 09 12:24:03 	yeah, I agree on the process smell Dec 09 12:24:06 	too BDUF Dec 09 12:24:34 	I think we want to get people using it as soon as freaking possible Dec 09 12:24:47 	which means planting Dec 09 12:24:59 	and then let user feedback guide our priorities Dec 09 12:25:17 <Skud>	i.e. if someone comes along who's keen to work on user pics or whatever lower priority activity, i'd rather get them onboard and have them enjoying it, than say "no you can't work on that" Dec 09 12:25:17 <Skud>	yup. Dec 09 12:25:17 <Skud>	my gut feeling at present is: Dec 09 12:25:17 <Skud>	gardens, planting, pics, comments on posts Dec 09 12:25:53 	that sounds good to me Dec 09 12:25:53 <Skud>	at that point i suspect we will start seeing some meaningful user activity Dec 09 12:26:40 <Skud>	(i am really delighted that people are acutally posting updates about their gardens already) Dec 09 12:27:02 	yep Dec 09 12:27:09 	what's the status on the gardens story? Dec 09 12:27:20 <Skud>	PT has the deets -- see "tasks" Dec 09 12:27:39 <Skud>	basically we are just cleaning up some of the stuff like making it so only the owner of a garden can delete it Dec 09 12:29:39 	we could in theory tie plantings to members rather than gardens for now Dec 09 12:29:42 	and then migrate later Dec 09 12:29:53 	which would unblock us on the plantings stories Dec 09 12:30:06 *	pozorvlak looks at PT Dec 09 12:30:10 	yeah, looks good Dec 09 12:30:30 *	thejaymo (~thejaymo@5ac87117.bb.sky.com) has joined #growstuff Dec 09 12:30:36 	hi thejaymo Dec 09 12:30:45 	Hola Dec 09 12:30:48 <Skud>	jay! hi! Dec 09 12:31:05 <Skud>	pozorvlak: or we could just merge the gardens work so far. Dec 09 12:31:37 <Skud>	it's in a useable state Dec 09 12:32:00 <Skud>	it's just missing polish and relies on the goodwill of the users not to delete each other's stuff. which since it's just a handful of devs etc, i don't think they will. Dec 09 12:32:19 <Skud>	would you like me to make a pull request? Dec 09 12:32:43 	Skud: yes please Dec 09 12:32:57 <Skud>	also i think i will merge the username changes you made with gemma and we can make "validate usernames" another story Dec 09 12:34:14 <Skud>	pozorvlak: sent. Dec 09 12:34:20 -Espalier/#growstuff-	[growstuff] Skud opened pull request #60: Mygarden (dev...mygarden) https://github.com/Growstuff/growstuff/pull/60 Dec 09 12:35:00 -Espalier/#growstuff-	[growstuff] Skud pushed 2 new commits to dev: https://github.com/Growstuff/growstuff/compare/d32db81bcd0e...3fbed91d8934 Dec 09 12:35:00 -Espalier/#growstuff-	growstuff/dev 19f8d70 Miles Gould: Fix size of boxes on /members; truncate long names Dec 09 12:35:00 -Espalier/#growstuff-	growstuff/dev 3fbed91 Skud: Merge pull request #57 from pozorvlak/memberoverflow... Dec 09 12:35:50 <Skud>	pozorvlak: if you want to look over gardens and merge, i can deploy both at once. Dec 09 12:36:01 <Skud>	thejaymo: how's things with you? have you met gnattery yet? Dec 09 12:36:04 	Skud, agreed on the usernames Dec 09 12:36:36 	Skud: No I have not! Dec 09 12:36:41 	hello! Dec 09 12:37:20 	Hahah Dec 09 12:37:20 <Skud>	thejaymo: we're hoping gnattery will be able to work full time on Growstuff with me next year Dec 09 12:37:32 	Yes, I read the email. That's pretty Damn cool Dec 09 12:37:54 	:D Dec 09 12:37:57 <Skud>	indeed Dec 09 12:38:12 <Skud>	assuming we jump through all the hoops etc. though i am more confident now we've found a non-sucky training provider. Dec 09 12:38:51 	woo, lotta commits. Dec 09 12:38:59 	yeah, they were really friendly Dec 09 12:39:01 	I'll need a couple of minutes to look through this Dec 09 12:39:09 <Skud>	pozorvlak: no rush Dec 09 12:39:40 	Why was the first provider sucky? Dec 09 12:39:48 <Skud>	gnattery: once we get into NEIS i am planning to make a blog post with a scathing review of NMIT and tips for people in our situation Dec 09 12:40:18 <Skud>	thejaymo: condescending, sexist, rude, uninformative, ignorant, and the actual training provided was at a lower level Dec 09 12:40:22 <Skud>	(cert 3 vs cert 4) Dec 09 12:40:47 	that sounds good Dec 09 12:40:54 <Skud>	thejaymo: he told me that "web businesses don't usually work out for us because everyone's a web designer these days and it's all overseas, right? and anyone can just go online and get a website for $80" Dec 09 12:40:58 	I'm glad I didn't end up doing that course there I was considering Dec 09 12:41:07 	LOL Dec 09 12:41:23 	huh, looks like the bootstrap changes are in there too Dec 09 12:41:43 <Skud>	thejaymo: then he told me i should consider android game development instead, because they had some people who did that and sold their game company to some chinese corporation for like $500k Dec 09 12:41:45 	oh, right, https://github.com/Skud/growstuff/commit/6d3a4e6be6c7483927e0afb0a2d5e75d8d42313d Dec 09 12:42:15 <Skud>	pozorvlak: that was the aforementioned "how the fuck does merge work?" issue Dec 09 12:42:21 <Skud>	i have no idea what went weird there, but something did. Dec 09 12:42:23 	ah, right Dec 09 12:42:35 <Skud>	i was trying to update to have the latest stuff from dev Dec 09 12:43:05 	Skud: LOL where can I find a website for £80! I want one with ponys Dec 09 12:43:38 <Skud>	thejaymo: and then i asked him about the mentors that are part of the program and he was really dismissive and rude, especially when i asked how many were women Dec 09 12:43:50 	Skud: I prefer to do git pull --rebase in that situation Dec 09 12:44:09 <Skud>	pozorvlak: ahhh Dec 09 12:44:31 	whoa, skud/mygarden branches off waaay back Dec 09 12:44:38 <Skud>	yes. Dec 09 12:44:47 <Skud>	it's epic. it was like 2 iterations ago? Dec 09 12:44:50 <Skud>	with norman. Dec 09 12:45:09 <Skud>	maybe we should make a guideline about merging at the end of each iteration or something? Dec 09 12:45:14 	Yes, good idea Dec 09 12:45:25 	OK, commit 59083882d6c03f6c083b67ff126b4e948b4cc785 is the bad one Dec 09 12:45:55 	mind if I fix up the history and submit a new pull request? Dec 09 12:46:11 <Skud>	go ahead Dec 09 12:46:22 	cool Dec 09 12:46:40 <Skud>	meanwhile, did anyone have any other topics they wanted to cover during the gathering? Dec 09 12:47:08 	I was thinking about picking up a thread from the mailing list.. Dec 09 12:47:17 <Skud>	yup? Dec 09 12:47:35 	about what kind of information about gardens Dec 09 12:47:40 	size etc Dec 09 12:48:09 <Skud>	for some reason size feels weird to me Dec 09 12:49:13 	because it could easily become irrelevant if a garden is arranged differently? Dec 09 12:49:17 <Skud>	maybe i was just jumping the gun on metadata Dec 09 12:49:46 <Skud>	well i think i would have a better idea of size by seeing how much of stuff people have planted Dec 09 12:50:06 <Skud>	if someone says they have 200 tomato plants i know they're working at a different scale from me. i don't need to see "X square metres" to know that Dec 09 12:50:52 	true. but it might be easier for them to say they have a certain area of tomato plants than to keep track of how many they planted. Dec 09 12:51:01 	Yeah but what about people with permaculture raised potato beds getting huge yields? Dec 09 12:51:03 	Allow them the option? Dec 09 12:51:04 <Skud>	and then, i can't imagine myself searching for "show me people growing tomatoes who have more than 2 acres" Dec 09 12:51:22 <Skud>	so i think quantity at the "planting" level is pretty meaningful Dec 09 12:51:29 	I think the main application of size-tracking would be for pissing contests Dec 09 12:51:29 <Skud>	and i like the idea of being able to specify your own units Dec 09 12:51:34 <Skud>	pozorvlak: yeah Dec 09 12:51:49 <Skud>	units like: 3 tomato plants, 6 rows of carrots, 2 acres of lucerne Dec 09 12:52:04 	drop-downs for units? Dec 09 12:52:16 <Skud>	probably. Dec 09 12:52:50 <Skud>	that would be more of a "tracking" feature than anything else Dec 09 12:52:58 <Skud>	to remind yourself how many you planted last year, or whatever Dec 09 12:53:04 <Skud>	so converting between them probably wouldn't be very important Dec 09 12:53:34 <Skud>	maybe that's what seemed weird about garden size… it doesn't serve a tracking purpose, it's "sharing" purpose seems a bit like a pissing contest thing as pozorvlak said, and the "learning" use case doesn't actually work very well Dec 09 12:53:45 <Skud>	its. its. its. ARGH. Dec 09 12:54:01 	What about orientation ? Dec 09 12:54:30 	I Dono, some years I can have more of the garden set over too growing stuff than in previous years Dec 09 12:54:31 <Skud>	i don't know. i personally wouldn't find it useful. Dec 09 12:55:09 <Skud>	i guess i'd want to find someone who had a use case for orientation. what purpose would it serve to record it? Dec 09 12:55:16 	why? If you know orientation of garden you automatically know if its shady or not Dec 09 12:55:20 <Skud>	no i don't. Dec 09 12:55:30 <Skud>	it might be hemmed in by trees or buildings Dec 09 12:55:30 	I think the main purpose I can see it serving for the average person is being able to find other gardeners with gardens of a similar size to their own Dec 09 12:56:19 <Skud>	gnattery: but that would be comparitively less useful than, for instance, finding gardeners geographically near them or in a similar climate Dec 09 12:56:27 <Skud>	gnattery: or even with a similar soil type Dec 09 12:56:50 	possibly Dec 09 12:56:54 <Skud>	thejaymo: orientation == shade is also only relevant in non-tropical areas Dec 09 12:57:13 <Skud>	thejaymo: the closer to the equator, the more similar all orientations are in terms of sun Dec 09 12:57:41 *	jimmyjaymo (~thejaymo@5ac87117.bb.sky.com) has joined #growstuff Dec 09 12:57:41 *	thejaymo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Dec 09 12:57:46 <Skud>	erk Dec 09 12:57:56 <Skud>	jimmyjaymo: how much did you miss? Dec 09 12:59:12 <Skud>	i wonder whether the trick would be to go to some sort of gathering of gardeners with a clipboard and ask each of them to describe their garden in as much detail as they find useful Dec 09 13:00:55 	You mean talk to potential users!?!?! The horror! Dec 09 13:00:56 	:-) Dec 09 13:02:48 	OK, I've yanked out the gigantic merge commit of doom Dec 09 13:02:55 	oops, some tests are failing Dec 09 13:02:56 	curses Dec 09 13:03:32 	Did you get Can't mass-assign protected attributes: tos_agreement errors, Skud? Dec 09 13:03:41 <Skud>	and check off what they mention: size, orientation, soil type, type of garden, etc Dec 09 13:03:41 <Skud>	OR Dec 09 13:03:41 <Skud>	we could just add a "description" field Dec 09 13:03:41 <Skud>	and then when we have a few hundred of them, we can mine those to see what people consistently talk bout Dec 09 13:03:41 <Skud>	about Dec 09 13:03:41 	that's the thing, I think most of them would consider it a significant feature of their garden Dec 09 13:03:41 	but yeah, it would be good to test Dec 09 13:03:41 	Er Dec 09 13:03:41 <Skud>	I KNOW RIGHT? Dec 09 13:03:41 <Skud>	i just realised i don't even know, and can't figure out, the "orientation" of our main vegie garden Dec 09 13:03:41 	Skud: great idea Dec 09 13:03:41 <Skud>	it's an area about 3m x 10m with a building on one side and a tall fence on the other Dec 09 13:03:41 <Skud>	all of it gets sun at various times Dec 09 13:03:41 <Skud>	yeah i had to merge because i was working with frontend stuff Dec 09 13:03:41 <Skud>	i don't think you can just yank it out Dec 09 13:03:41 	do you think engaging the transition movement would be a good place for that kind of data gathering? Dec 09 13:03:41 <Skud>	jimmyjaymo: yes, i am involved in my local transition group Dec 09 13:03:52 	hello? Dec 09 13:04:14 *	jimmyjaymo has quit (Quit: Bye) Dec 09 13:04:17 <Skud>	pozorvlak: err, no, you might have crossed the streams with the TOS story there Dec 09 13:04:20 	Skud: I'm planning to delete that commit and then rebase against upstream/dev Dec 09 13:04:21 <Skud>	poor jaymo Dec 09 13:04:36 	Skud, sound plausible Dec 09 13:04:44 	Skud: what latitude are you at? Dec 09 13:05:09 <Skud>	pozorvlak: 37 south, ish Dec 09 13:05:17 <Skud>	actually closer to 38 now i check Dec 09 13:05:17 *	thejaymo (~thejaymo@5ac87117.bb.sky.com) has joined #growstuff Dec 09 13:05:40 	Damn, I'm nearly 20 degrees further from the Equator than you Dec 09 13:05:53 	bk Dec 09 13:05:59 <Skud>	yeah. i'm equivalent to Lisbon or something. Dec 09 13:06:05 	on laptop now Dec 09 13:06:13 <Skud>	climate is very much like the southern end of the iberian peninsula Dec 09 13:06:26 <Skud>	or like greece Dec 09 13:06:31 	I've been to Portugal, I could barely move in the heat Dec 09 13:06:39 *	heph (U2FsdGVkX1@antipunk.net) has joined #growstuff Dec 09 13:06:44 	hello Dec 09 13:06:44 <Skud>	hi heph Dec 09 13:06:50 	skud! Dec 09 13:06:51 	yeah i can see why its a strange question for a global site. orentation is pretty important to uk gardeners Dec 09 13:07:01 	hi heph! Dec 09 13:08:04 <Skud>	pozorvlak: that was us on saturday -- 38C. it's cooled down now. 24C tomorrow. Dec 09 13:08:24 	where do you think we should do some data gathering of how people would want there gardens described by growstuff? Dec 09 13:08:26 <Skud>	heph: did you drop by for the IRC gathering? i suspect we're starting to wind down. Dec 09 13:08:34 	transition towns? Dec 09 13:08:35 	not sure what it is here, but there's still some ice on the pavements Dec 09 13:08:43 <Skud>	thejaymo: i'd be tempted to just make a "description" field for gardens on the site, and leave it wa while and see how people use it Dec 09 13:08:54 	i did, twitter is terrible for scheduling such things =) Dec 09 13:09:19 	Skud: good call Dec 09 13:09:20 	but it's good to know about this group and its regularly scheduled gatherings Dec 09 13:09:22 <Skud>	heph: handy google calendar: https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ajkjpgjqgq5qjfb8catg168tg8%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/London Dec 09 13:09:45 	if we knew someones location (highlevel) we would only need to no orientation for people far from the equator Dec 09 13:10:08 	thx =) Dec 09 13:10:11 	is orientation interesting for things other than shadiness? Dec 09 13:10:19 	i guess i think its important if we ever want to have a recomnedation module telling people what to grow? Dec 09 13:10:46 <Skud>	well orientation is just a proxy for sun/shade/semi-shade Dec 09 13:10:57 <Skud>	and *that* is more global Dec 09 13:11:31 	but is it not more convienant if growstuff just figured it out for you? Dec 09 13:11:35 <Skud>	no Dec 09 13:11:36 	so a shady south-facing garden is more like a shady north-facing garden than it is like an unshaded south-facing garden? Dec 09 13:11:45 <Skud>	what pozorvlak said Dec 09 13:11:56 <Skud>	and remember that "south facing" is only in the northern hemisphere Dec 09 13:12:15 	yep, but I had enough clauses already :-) Dec 09 13:12:31 *	pozorvlak shows his northern-hemisphere privilege Dec 09 13:12:31 <Skud>	growstuff can only figurei t out for you if you tell it Dec 09 13:12:34 <Skud>	1) your location Dec 09 13:12:38 <Skud>	2) the orientation of your garden Dec 09 13:12:42 <Skud>	3) the dimensions of your garden Dec 09 13:12:59 <Skud>	4) the dimensions and distance of any surrounding buildlings, walls, large trees Dec 09 13:13:04 <Skud>	and then we have to do a fuckload of trig Dec 09 13:13:21 	give it your lat/lon, then we can look up your garden on Google streetview and determine shadiness based on image colour :-) Dec 09 13:13:28 	lol Dec 09 13:13:30 <Skud>	now THERE'S an idea Dec 09 13:13:47 <Skud>	oh and i forgot to mention -- the height of your garden Dec 09 13:13:51 <Skud>	raised beds with alter all the trig ;) Dec 09 13:14:06 	it does sound easier than raytracing all the surrounding buildings Dec 09 13:14:14 	hehe yeah. *looks out the window at my new raised beds i built at end of the summer* Dec 09 13:14:23 <Skud>	the alternative is we could simply ask: "sun, shade, or semi-shade?" Dec 09 13:14:34 	yes Dec 09 13:14:37 <Skud>	and in fact that makes more sense at the planting level Dec 09 13:14:41 	thats a much better idea Dec 09 13:14:56 <Skud>	because you can plant a tree in a sunny area, and then plant herbs in the shade under it, all in the same garden Dec 09 13:15:13 	do we want a sub level inside 'my garden' called 'beds' - that have thoes three options Dec 09 13:15:21 	maybe allow you to set a default shadiness for the garden Dec 09 13:15:24 <Skud>	doesn't apply to some kinds of gardens Dec 09 13:15:29 	which can be altered on a per-planting level Dec 09 13:15:41 <Skud>	pozorvlak: that makes sense to me Dec 09 13:15:49 <Skud>	thejaymo: i don't have any "beds" in my container garden Dec 09 13:16:00 <Skud>	nor would i have beds in a permaculture food forest Dec 09 13:16:10 	then what do we call them? Dec 09 13:16:27 	goddamn gvimdiff is ugly Dec 09 13:16:28 	containers/beds/etc Dec 09 13:16:29 <Skud>	we might not want to call them anything Dec 09 13:16:42 <Skud>	as in… we haven't determiend they're wanted/needed yet Dec 09 13:16:45 	it's pretty much covered by having more than one type of plant in there Dec 09 13:17:01 	yh i guess your right. Dec 09 13:17:01 <Skud>	how about we get things going with gardens first, and see if there is user demand to break it down further Dec 09 13:17:14 <Skud>	i suspect gardens will wind up being pretty flexible Dec 09 13:17:22 	yeah fo sure Dec 09 13:17:24 <Skud>	some people might find it useful to call each bed of a large garden a garden in our system Dec 09 13:17:29 	how do we 'archive' old gardens then? by season Dec 09 13:17:52 <Skud>	thejaymo: i think each garden has a flag "active" which if false, means is not currently being gardened Dec 09 13:18:01 <Skud>	thejaymo: i don't think a garden retires at the end of a season. the plantings might. Dec 09 13:18:14 	yeah its a tricky one Dec 09 13:19:17 <Skud>	i think it would be good to be able to archive a garden eg. when you move house, though Dec 09 13:20:10 <Skud>	so you have "my old garden at my previous house" that you can still look at historically, but doesn't show up in your list of places to plant things right now Dec 09 13:20:32 <Skud>	heph: did you have any particular questions or things you wanted to talk about? Dec 09 13:20:41 	lol as an aside my firens are all at the europarliment ""Im fed up with ur anarchist shit! I want to hear about ur new areas of activity&new work identities"@accessjames showing true colors #LOTE2" Dec 09 13:20:44 	lol Dec 09 13:22:29 	ok cool. i think im done for the 30mins i swung by. Dec 09 13:22:36 	anythin in PT that needs accepting? Dec 09 13:22:51 <Skud>	thejaymo: jenny was looking for a second set of eyes on the TOS story i think Dec 09 13:22:54 	i ahvent read all my e-mails from yesterday/friday yet Dec 09 13:23:05 	ah ok. will take a look in a bit Dec 09 13:24:01 	have a good weekend peeps Dec 09 13:24:06 	see you on the interwebz Dec 09 13:24:08 	thejaymo: and you! Dec 09 13:24:09 	bye! Dec 09 13:24:21 <Skud>	later, thejaymo! Dec 09 13:24:24 *	thejaymo has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Dec 09 13:25:58 <Skud>	ok, i think it's probably time to wrap up. it's heading up on 12:30am here. Dec 09 13:26:51 <Skud>	gnattery, pozorvlak, heph, are we done here? Dec 09 13:27:27 	Skud: yeah, I reckon so Dec 09 13:27:35 	yep Dec 09 13:27:56 <Skud>	pozorvlak: can you post a log on the wiki? Dec 09 13:27:59 	I'm increasingly tempted to give up on this history rewrite Dec 09 13:28:09 	too many conflicts, I'm worried I'll break something Dec 09 13:28:20 <Skud>	blergh. Dec 09 13:28:22 	would it be OK if I just accepted your pull request? Dec 09 13:28:27 <Skud>	feel free. Dec 09 13:28:30 	cool Dec 09 13:28:41 <Skud>	what's the worst that can happen? not much. Dec 09 13:28:44 	Skud: yep, I'll post a log Dec 09 13:29:08 <Skud>	awesome, thanks Dec 09 13:29:14 	it's kinda hard to review with the big merge commit in there Dec 09 13:29:24 <Skud>	gnattery and i are off to a small business mentoring thing in the morning Dec 09 13:29:27 	but I think that's the better option at this point Dec 09 13:29:31 <Skud>	yeah. Dec 09 13:29:36 	Skud, gnattery: cool Dec 09 13:29:43 	sounds like you should get some sleep, then :-) Dec 09 13:29:44 <Skud>	the tests pass and it's all had 2 sets of eyes Dec 09 13:30:28 <Skud>	and it's nothing mindblowingly original Dec 09 13:31:09 <Skud>	hokay, i declare the gathering closed. Dec 09 13:31:09 <Skud>	gnite all. Dec 09 13:32:01 	gnite Skud! Dec 09 14:15:53 *	gnattery (~GNAT@60-242-42-99.static.tpgi.com.au) has left #growstuff Dec 09 14:49:42 *	sabreuse (~gchick@rrcs-108-169-134-128.midsouth.biz.rr.com) has joined #growstuff Dec 09 15:32:40 -Espalier/#growstuff-	[growstuff] pozorvlak pushed 25 new commits to dev: https://github.com/Growstuff/growstuff/compare/3fbed91d8934...05a09ac42890 Dec 09 15:32:40 -Espalier/#growstuff-	growstuff/dev f89815b Norman Ancajas: added gardens table Dec 09 15:32:40 -Espalier/#growstuff-	growstuff/dev 77c2e83 Norman Ancajas: wrote migration to add test users, fixed tests Dec 09 15:32:40 -Espalier/#growstuff-	growstuff/dev b39ee79 Norman Ancajas: give each user a garden. note: tests broken! Dec 09 15:35:00 	Something weird happened with that merge Dec 09 15:35:12 	.git/MERGE_HEAD kept being deleted out from under me Dec 09 15:35:22 	so the merge appeared as one giant commit Dec 09 15:35:32 	which I assume is what happened to Skud earlier Dec 09 15:35:59 	I eventually hacked around it by writing .git/MERGE_HEAD myself before saving the commit message </tt>