IRC/Gathering-2013-01-07

This is a transcript of the IRC gathering on January 7th, 2013.

Present: jenny, gnattery, pozorvlak, Skud.

(10:56:14 PM) gnattery: hey all (11:00:32 PM) Skud: hey hey (11:00:37 PM) Skud: wonder who else will join us? (11:01:30 PM) jenny_ [56294540@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.41.69.64] entered the room. (11:02:01 PM) Skud: jenny_: hi! (11:02:22 PM) jenny_: Hi! I finally make it to one of the irc chats! (11:04:35 PM) gnattery: hi :) (11:04:53 PM) pozorvlak [~androirc@212.183.140.19] entered the room. (11:05:22 PM) pozorvlak: Hi all (11:05:51 PM) Skud: heya :) (11:05:58 PM) gnattery: hey (11:06:07 PM) jenny_: hallo (11:07:31 PM) gnattery: how's everyone doing? (11:07:49 PM) Skud: good! i cooked deliciousness tonight for dinner. made parathas for the first time! (11:08:00 PM) Skud: time consuming but so worth it (11:08:14 PM) pozorvlak: Good stuff (11:08:45 PM) jenny_: ooh, sounds tasty. (11:09:03 PM) gnattery: yum (11:10:28 PM) Skud: and now i have a glass of pr0t. (11:10:37 PM) pozorvlak: I went hiking yesterday; the snow had mostly melted, but it was nice to spend some time outdoors (11:11:03 PM) pozorvlak: Pr0t, eh? Dangerous stuff :-) (11:12:04 PM) Skud: it must have been over a decade ago when we had a conversation on #perl about pr0t and br13 and craxx0rs (11:12:14 PM) Skud: i still say "pr0t" and "craxx0rs" (11:12:37 PM) jenny_: craxx0rs sound especially devious (11:12:37 PM) Skud: so anyway! (11:12:50 PM) Skud: does anyone have any topics they want to talk about? (11:13:03 PM) Skud: hanging out and talking about my dinner is fine too ;) (11:13:30 PM) gnattery: I don't have much to say. except to apologise for not being around much. I've had my internet cut off and won't get it back for a while, so my presence will be spotty. (11:13:44 PM) Skud: bah! (11:14:01 PM) jenny_: I'm just kind of lurking and getting a feel for what's going on, after the break of the holidays. (11:15:01 PM) gnattery: :) (11:15:58 PM) Skud: jenny_: whereabouts are you located? (11:16:51 PM) pozorvlak left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 272 seconds). (11:16:59 PM) jenny_: I'm in SW Ireland, probably not far from Larry, actually (given it's a small place). It's wet. (11:17:30 PM) Skud: we could do with some wet over here. (11:17:31 PM) jenny_: I think GS is being a proxy for not having actually gotten out in my garden in what feels like ages. (11:17:51 PM) jenny_: I will gladly end you *all the wet*.  Just let me pack up some clouds. (11:17:55 PM) jenny_: *send (11:19:50 PM) Skud: we've had bushfires here lately (11:21:17 PM) jenny_: Yeah, I was reading about those. I hope they're not too close to you. (11:21:48 PM) Skud: i'm in an urban area so bushfires don't usually affect me (11:21:57 PM) gnattery: did anything serious come of the ones the other day? (11:22:12 PM) Skud: the big ones a couple of days ago were in tasmania, which is a different state (and across a body of water) from here (11:22:28 PM) Skud: gnattery: 100 missing possibly dead in tasmania, i just saw on twitter (11:22:51 PM) gnattery: damn (11:23:25 PM) jenny_: yikes (11:25:17 PM) Skud: jenny_: do you garden? (11:25:29 PM) Skud: wait, that's a silly question. i presume yes. (11:25:34 PM) Skud: TELL ME ABOUT YOUR GARDEN (11:25:44 PM) jenny_: Why yes, I garden. :) (11:26:54 PM) jenny_: Um, it't not looking like much right now -- we don't really get winter, but it's still dormant season. I have raised beds, outside -- hoping to add a greenhouse or put clear roofing on an old shed some time soon. (11:27:26 PM) jenny_: I grow for myself, though that's been of moderate success this year, since it's been so cool and wet. Kale loved it, everything else not so much. (11:27:53 PM) Skud: nom, kale (11:28:52 PM) jenny_: I'm near the south coast, so the wind and salt are an extra problem.  We planted apple trees about 23 years ago, and they're still tiny and not really doing anything. (11:30:05 PM) Skud: 23 years ago? yipe. (11:30:25 PM) jenny_: Trees do not grow well here.  Apart from sycamores. (11:30:46 PM) gnattery: wouldn't it be worth replacing them with something else that grows better in your location? (11:31:31 PM) jenny_: They're stuck down in a field, so they're kind of getting on with themselves. Plantings nearer/more accessible are more likely things, yes. Sea buckthorn! (11:32:03 PM) jenny_: Ah, I should say that apart from the actual garden, there's kind of an embarrassment of space, so I have room for failed experiments. (11:33:15 PM) Skud: wish i did :) (11:33:32 PM) pozorvlak [~AndChat41@212.183.128.179] entered the room. (11:33:42 PM) jenny_: Sorry, topic switch; I'm poking at PT at the same time -- we have a story coming up to delete gardens. Would the ability to delete plantings be useful? (11:34:22 PM) gnattery: it would be, yeah (11:35:29 PM) Skud: yes, but there's some complexity there (11:35:41 PM) Skud: i think we also need a way to mark a planting as "finished" (11:36:01 PM) jenny_: finished as in, harvested and done? i agree (11:36:03 PM) Skud: like, when a plant dies off or whatever, it's "finished" but not deleted (11:36:20 PM) jenny_: yeah, i was thinking even a failed crop is a useful data point (11:36:24 PM) Skud: yup (11:36:38 PM) Skud: so "deleted" would be more for "oops i entered this and shouldn't have" (11:37:01 PM) jenny_: yeah, i was thinking in terms of the trial plantings we currently have, like my imaginary runner beans (11:37:08 PM) Skud: heh yeah :) (11:37:26 PM) Skud: i'm not sure whether we'll carry data from dev.growstuff.org across to the real site when we bring it up (11:38:04 PM) jenny_: my imaginary runner beans are delicious, shh. :) (11:39:17 PM) Skud: i've noticed a bunch of things that need improving in plantings (11:39:33 PM) Skud: the main one is, i need an easy way to plant multiples of the same thing (11:40:09 PM) Skud: like if i plant a row of beans on 1 august, and then do more rows every 2 weeks, so i have them all through summer or whatever (11:40:35 PM) Skud: currently there's nothing to distinguish batch A from batches B through whatever (11:40:59 PM) Skud: we need to change the generated title for plantings to include the date, so it would be "Beans planted in Skud's garden on " (11:41:22 PM) Skud: and then have an easy "plant more" button/link which pre-populates the crop AND the garden (11:41:35 PM) jenny_: That sounds like it would sort it out. I like the idea of the easy link. (11:41:39 PM) Skud: and then, when you show what's planted in the garden, it should aggregate. so it wouldn't say "beans, beans, beans, and tomatoes" (11:41:48 PM) Skud: it would say "beans (planted on 3 different dates) and tomatoes" (11:42:17 PM) Skud: or maybe just "beans (3 plantings)" (11:42:18 PM) Skud: a (11:42:20 PM) Skud: oops (11:42:38 PM) Skud: and then some sort of detail page or popover or something that shows the various plantings (11:44:19 PM) jenny_: yes. would the aggregation be on detailed garden page? (11:46:29 PM) Skud: eh, i'm not sure (11:46:37 PM) Skud: and i'm a bit sleepy so i can't really brain right now (11:46:46 PM) jenny_: :) it's all that pr0t (11:48:17 PM) Skud: one small glass! it's just that it's also almost midnight, and i had a fairly busy day (11:48:32 PM) jenny_: there are still stories that haven't been accepted from the last iteration -- best I can tell the issues with the gravatars (clickable/showing on gardens) are resolved, so I'll go ahead and accept? (11:49:08 PM) jenny_: Yeah, it's late for you. I'm still in my jammies. /o\ (11:49:11 PM) Skud: please do if they look good to you! (11:49:22 PM) Skud: and/or cross-check with the mobile customers (11:49:38 PM) Skud: wonder where miles disappeared to? (11:50:29 PM) jenny_: I hit accept, possibly prematurely but they work on the web site where they did not before. (11:52:18 PM) Skud: *nod* (11:52:44 PM) Skud: afaik they shouldn't have any mobile issues (11:53:16 PM) Skud: in general though, it'd be better if we could get a mobile user to look at everything, just to be consistent. (11:53:23 PM) Skud: and to keep us honest :) (11:53:59 PM) jenny_: Yeah. I think it was pretty much sorted out; queries were about other things. (11:55:14 PM) jenny_: we seem to be the only ones talking; think we can wrap it up and let you go sleep? (11:55:31 PM) Skud: probably :) looks like it's a quiet gathering tonight anyway. (11:55:41 PM) Skud: i think this is always one of the quiet ones, because all the US people are asleep (11:55:56 PM) Skud: not sure what happened to pozorvlak and gnattery. oh well. (11:56:34 PM) jenny_: I was actually awake for last week's, but in no condition to hold a conversation. 6am from the wrong side. (11:56:35 PM) gnattery: I'm still here :) (11:56:41 PM) Skud: good chatting to you anyway, jenny. feel free to drop in here any time. there's often someone around at about this time of day. (11:56:42 PM) gnattery: just catching up on the mailing list (11:57:16 PM) jenny_: Likewise!  And now that I have demonstrated I can work this thing, I might stop by more often.:) (11:57:25 PM) Skud: awesome :) (11:57:39 PM) pozorvlak: I'm connecting via my phone from a cafe (11:57:48 PM) Skud: i am actually drooping over my keyboard, so i should go brush my teeth and then fall into bed (11:57:57 PM) Skud: carry on without me if you like ;) (11:57:59 PM) gnattery: yeah, I'll be off soon (11:58:00 PM) Skud: gnite, all! (11:58:02 PM) gnattery: night (11:58:03 PM) pozorvlak: I think they block port 6667 (11:58:13 PM) pozorvlak: Night! (11:58:31 PM) jenny_: night, skud! (11:58:57 PM) jenny_: I should go get on with this "day" thing. (11:59:31 PM) jenny_: See you all again. Good to chat.